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wrong for america. >> as mitt plays mr. nice guy. >> we're getting ready for another debate tonight. i can't wait. it's going to be funny. >> his rival gets nastier still. >> do i care if the romney apparatus says whatever? no. >> fireworks over florida as newt gets desperate. ♪ it may be january, but out on the campaign trail, it's one of the hottest days yet. down in florida, the republican race gets wilder by the hour. it really is a swamp out there. just five hours before tonight's debate, five days before the florida primary, people be warned, newt gingrich is showing signs of a meltdown. this morning in the heat of jacksonville, he detonated a
neutron bomb against mitt romney. >> we're not going to beat barack obama with a guy with swiss bank accounts and is a stockholder is freddie mac and fanny mae. the message we should give mitt romney is we aren't that stupid and you aren't that cleaver. >> that's right go after mitt and his money. wait a second. which party is being accused of class warfare again. >> if you are for european socialism, you're with barack obama. >> right. so democrats are the ones using class warfare. maybe romney isn't as cleaver as newt, no one is, but he's not operating beneath a well of sleaze as these new romney campaign mailers allege.
let's face facts with king gingrich, you never have the peace of mind that you've gotten to the bottom of his sleaze. newt gingrich, unethical,er rattic, reckless. they may be exactly what the conservative base wants to go up against the president. someone who will say anything, do anything. perhaps not someone not like mitt romney who offers his version of fired up today in jacksonville. >> now we're getting ready for another debate tonight, i can't wait. it's going to be fun again. we're going to have choice times talking about the president and his failures. if y'all can get there, we'd love to see you there. no tickets. just storm in. >> i'm sure they be storming in. as mitt and newt battle it out,
how is the president taking off this steaming rhetoric. to hear him in a univision interview, cool as a cucumber. >> whoever their nominee is, they represent ideas that i think are wrong for america. >> let's get more with our panel. david corn, washington bureau chief and jonathan capehart, opinion writer for the "washington post". poor children should clean toilets. the rest of us should go to the moon. >> yes. let's keep a few things in mind. space exploration is one of those things like zoos that's very near and dear to newt gingrich's heart.
>> zoo's? >> newt gingrich. the second point i'm making is that space exploration and just space in general is very important to florida. he's making a double play here trying to appeal to his own interests but appeal to a certain slice of the florida electorate. >> newt's already won a single primary but he's already talking about his two terms in office. >> on the newt gingrich scale, it's about a two in terms of delusions. you talk about meltdown. what you saw today is what we have been watching in washington for 30 years. this is not a meltdown. this is glacier creeping. his new slogan should be ginewt
gingrich, i didn't do it. he claims to be a historian when he wasn't. the best one was he claimed to produce witnesses that he didn't say he had an open marriage. no, we didn't do that either. listen, delusion, say whatever. this is just newt playing out what he's always been. the only big surprise is like newt could contain his newtness. we know it's beyond self-control. >> anna, remember that important line, it's not a lie if you believe it. >> it's true. i think that you're correct. i have thought for some time, the thing that the gop electorate wants this guy who will say anything, who will do anything, who is explicit.
he lost points after he was self-contained. i think it's unfortunate that his foil is mitt romney. he's probably the one gop candidate who could not turn on human. he can't flip that switch. there's someone -- it's stuck or something. it's unfortunate. even in his version of fired up, what did he say choice words. who talks like that? >> john, we talk about polls being within the margin of error, which is generally considered to be around 3%. listen to mitt romney's margin of error on his income at a univision forum in florida. >> how much money do you have? >> well, you tell me. it's between 150 and about 200 some odd million dollars. by the way, i didn't inherit that. >> john, he says his income is
somewhere between 150 and 200 million. >> yeah. it's like i might have 50 or two grand in my wallet. owe know how much money you have. i think he's trying to preserve some sort of weird zone of privacy that she shouldn't expect to have running for president of the united states. mitt romney and his discussions of his own wealth i find sort of oddly endearing because it comes from a time when talking publicly about your own wealth is akin to stripping. for him to say that i didn't inherit my money, i made it myself. dude, really. come on. come on. >> david, do you agree with that analysis? he has a real problem of switching that switch to humanity or normal human being?
he just can't do it. >> i think he should come out and say, how much money do i have, a gazillion dollars. let's move on. you have this race where you have an unfortunate choice of newt gingrich and someone who is almost human. we have seen mitt romney try to get that common touch. he can't do it when talking about himself or others. you can learn that behavior. he can get there, but it's taking him a long time and it's painful to watch. >> what do you think that is, ana? >> i know why it's painful to watch. you do sort of root for him like someone who recently escaped from cave. hasn't been in touch with humanity for a while. if he wasn't so rich, i could feel sorry for him. i don't know why it's hard for him. i think it's because he's never had to experience hardship of
any kind. he's never needed to find within himself something extra. >> we keep being told he didn't inherit anything. his father was ceo of american motors and former governor. >> it's like it's not my drug dealer calling. he's so quick to be specific with that it's a little suspicious. >> david, the president is taking his message on tour. he's in arizona yesterday. cameras camtured a stunning image of arizona governor jan brewer in a confrontation with the president. apparently, he told her he didn't like the description of him in her book. what did you make of that scene? >> i think it was great for selling books as msnbc just reported a few minutes ago. her rankings on amazon have gone from half a million to 56. r with just one finger.
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ideas to date. a space colony on the moon completed by 2020, the end of his two-term presidency. >> we will have the first permanent base on the moon, and it will be american. >> this is not the first time we've heard mr. gingrich visiting outer space on the campaign trail. here he is over the summer when he had this to say. >> the you apply the money to incentives for the private sector, we would have a permanent station on the moon, three or four permanent stations in space, a new generation of lift vehicles. what we have had is bureau kra si. >> he better start fueling his
rockets now. i'm joined by dr. neil tyson and the author of the upcoming book, "space chronicle," i have it in my hand. newt says by the time of his second presidency, because he's easily going to be re-elected, he'll have station on the moon by 2020. is that possible? >> he admitted that's an ambitious goal. the mnay sayers are not the engineers. they recognize that certain ambitions might not be possible. he's going to have to change the nation's understanding and valuation of what sit to embark on those adventures. >> given the fact that he wants to destroy government intervention, government bodies, government agencies, is the private sector going to fund a station on the moon?
>> there's an imbalance here. he recognized the value of entrepreneurship in the landmarks of the birth of aviation and money to stimulate people working out of their garage to advance what became a very important industry. he then went onto say that kennedy speech launched us to the moon. you can't trash government in one sense and praising them in the other without them mentioning it was government. it was a government project that got us to the moon. it's how well-designed is your government agency to accomplish the goal you set forth. >> we heard people like richard branson talking up shuttle trips. nothing's happened. >> the original title of the book was "failure to launch: the dreams and illusions".
they said that's too depressing. no they will not advance the space frontier because the frontier of space is expensive. it's dangerous. that's not right for a capital market to value. the history of human exploration is one where government takes the first step. they pay for the first patents. they draw the maps. government paid for columbus voyage and louis and clark. that's who figures out what's going on and then private enterprise comes. >> not according to newt gingrich. >> he got it wrong. private sector is a participant with nasa on that frontier. i think that can work. i don't have a problem with that. private sector is already a participant, but not at that
level. >> we know he was speaking in florida. do you think that may have colored somewhat the speech? >> a little bit. >> would it have the same impact in idaho? >> it's easy to give a speech on space in space coast florida bright there in brevard county. engineers scientists, moon launches right out of that county. that speech has to work in idaho. it's got to work in vermont where there aren't nasa centers. at the end of the day it's taxpayer money. you can't just go to the moon and mars because you feel like it because you have a couple of entrepreneurs. there's got to be a politician statement that can justify it. for me it can easily be justified if nasa itself is a force of nature on the heart and
minds of the nations. it sends everybody to want to become scientists. >> i get that. it's a powerful force in any community. that is a rocket. >> back when the country long ago went to the moon in this. >> a final question. i guess some of our viewers will be thinking i've got a property that's under water. i can't afford the mortgage, i've lost my job. why is this nman talking about building a space station? >> coming from another direction, if the nation dreams big and that percolates its way through society, the dreams are enabled by prowless in science. once everybody gets the feeling
through them, they want to become scientists and engineers and participate in this adventure. scientists and engineers who are the seeds of tomorrow's economies in this competitive 21st century we're entering. i submit i want to go to the moon and mars to explore, but that's not the biggest reason to do so. >> indeed. thank you very much for joining us. be sure to keep an eye out for his latest book, "space chronicles," which will be available next month. stay with us. much more florida fun ahead. >> i don't know anything about the super pac except what i read in the newspapers. >> jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it. ♪ i've worked hard to build my family.
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>> thanks for noticing. >> here is the president's schedule. three stops today where he talks about cuts. through it all, he says he's not in campaign mode. do i have that correct? >> well, a lot of people are dubious about that. he gave an interview with june vision today. he was asked who would be the greater threat or challenge to a second term, rom mitt romney ort gingrich? the president said he doesn't think about that. for some people around here, their mind is fixed on the upcoming campaign. >> his campaign team has to be happy about the polling numbers that are out today. >> reporter: he's no longer under water. there's an irony in this.
he was in nevada. he was in arizona where a number of homeowners are under water but recovering trying to get out from under the debt of their mortgages which are much greater than value than the resell value of their home. the president, from a political perspective, no longer is his approval rating below his d disapproval rating. he's now above water. 48% approve. 46% disapprove. that's the highest since june. the right track, wrong track number, when americans asked if the country is on the right track, wrong track, this is a crucial indicator. only 30% say the country is on the right track. that's up 8%. the trend is the president's friend in that regard. >> thank you so much. >> reporter: thank you.
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different things you s you'd wa learn how to live in low gravity. >> it's been a groundhog day. >> they're chasing us. make it fun. >> to suggest that governor romney is more reagan like is an act of total fantasy. we're not going to beat barack obama with some guy who has swiss bank accounts, cayman accounts while he tries to think the rest of us are too stupid to put the dots together. >> how much money do you have? >> it's between 150 and 200 million. >> to have some fantasy this far from reality. >> i would love to be able to convince people of that in a florida primary. >> now, now. this is a free country. >> had a little handwritten note for him and he changed the subject to my book.
>> you know that governor brewer is telling the truth. >> i probably have better photographs of me than that. i talk with my hands. we've done everything we can do. >> he wanted to talk about the book. i thought that he was pretty thin-skinned. >> let's get right to it with our panel this thursday afternoon. joining me is crystal ball. chris, i want to start with you. that photograph of governor brewer pointing her finger at the president. in the book she says that the president condescended to her. what do you make of this?
>> i make it was politically smart of jan brewer since she's thrown her lot in with the tea party to support the extreme immigration bill. her entire book seems to be based around giving it to the president. this is another instance of her trying to appear tough but it's a cynical, political and disrespect move. >> we need to remember that sarah palin wrote the forward to the book which is impressive. >> since the finger pointing image got out and was shared around the world. miss brewer's book sales have gone up 150,000 percent in less than 24 hours. >> i would love to know the brace to calculate. it's quite interesting. it's a time of political turmoil where people are curious about different positions and unfortunately, for that primary that's going on in florida, she's carrying that republican
flag that is now putting this cloud over the republicans as they are trying to win over a very important base, which includes a lot of latinos who care about the immigration issues. >> let me just underscore that. there's a lot of attention played to western swing states like arizona, nevada, colorado, new mexico. those are important but also places like virginia and north carolina and in florida. there's been a huge growth of population there. people like jeb bush says you have to tone it done because you're hurting our party not just for 2012 but lasting damage. for people like jan brewer, it was probably not the greatest moment for the president, sort of uncomfortable, not what you expect wen you get out the airplane. she is cemented that image that plays right into the democratic party strategy for this year and beyond. >> did you not think it was
disrespectful? is that how we're supposed to behave toward the president whether you like him or not? >> the power of social media and the quickness of the internet, it put a magnifying glass over anything. we don't know the context but the gesture, the hand leads you to wonder. we're talking about it and putting a dent into her, the party at a very important time that should matter. >> you don't really have to know what she said there because she said such ugly things and written such ugly things in the book. >> that's the case. just a final question to you krystal. what did you think of newt going into attack mode on mitt romney's wealth? i thought it was the democrat who is was guilty of class warfare.
>> no one is better aattack politics than newt gingrich i have to think the president is sitting back and smiling. the because it's coming from a republican and not just newt gingrich, it's coming from other republicans as well, it makes it all the more damaging and helps people understand there's a difference between capitalism, which we all support and the sort of taking and extraction that mitt romney and his type have been doing in this country. >> thanks so much for joining s us. next, it reads like a romance novel. newt and the gipper. stay with us. >> he says i don't want to go back to the reagan-bush years. i was an independent then. he won't tell you that now
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north dakota. good afternoon. >> how are you? >> what do you remember of newt and reagan back in your house days? to hear newt tell it the cold war ended after reagan and newt discussed and mr. gingrich brought communism to the end in congress. >> he was a back bencher with a lot of grenades and throe as many as he could. i knew ronald reagan. i'm a democrat. i knew newt gingrich. there's very similarity that i can see if their style and approach. he was a back bencher. >> bob doyle has said this. he was a one-man band that rarely took advice high pressure he had a new idea every minute. newt would show up at my 96 campaign headquarters with an
empty bucket in his hand. that was a symbol of some sort for him. i never did know why he was doing and i'm not certain he knew either. was he carrying the bucket after he cleaned the bathrooms. what was going on here? >> i don't know. he did talk a mile a minute and have idea after idea. he was the person that began to poison the political waters. he said to republicans, if you're running for office as a republican, use these words. i've tested them. use these words to describe your opponent, sick, lie, pathetic, anti-flag, anti-children, traitor. that when he suggested our politics should be. fast forward to the time when he was speaker, i was around during the white house negotiations. i was one of the senate negotiators. i was around when newt gingrich was bragging about the fact he have going to close the
government down. he did, of course. that became a moment that i think he's probably always regretted and his colleagues that he served with in the house regretted it. not too long after that, they decided they didn't want him as speaker any longer. >> he's been touting a 1995 endorsement from president reagan's wife, nancy. i'd like to play two clips. first how newt tells it and what the former first lady said. >> in 1995, at the goldwater institute nancy said that ronald reagan's torch had been passed to me. >> harry goldwater handed the torch to ronny and ronnie turned it over to newt and the republican members of the congress to keep that dream alive. >> senator, she goes onto co compliment they and them.
apparently newt only heard i and me. >> yeah, that's not unusual. you hear a lot of this sort of thing from newt. he expands and exaggerates most things. this is almost low-grade entertainme entertainment. this is very serious. we're talking about someone to lead this country. you expect from that sort of a person, you expect good ideas. you expect leadership capability. you don't expect someone who has been fined $300,000 for ethical violations when leading the house of representatives. you don't expect someone with his record. i'm not being consulted by the republicans. they will make their own judgment by that. i'm surprised that newt, at this point, is where he is in this race. >> i think many republicans feel the same as yourself. thanks so much for joining us.
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florida is not just the site of the next gop primary. it's also ground zero for the closure crisis and not the mention social security, medicare and the space industry. if you don't think it will come up in a way in jacksonville, listen to newt gingrich pulling no punches in taking mitt romney. >> this guy owns freddie mac and fanny mae stock. this guy is surrounded by fanny mae and freddie mac stock and he's running an ad. >> dylan ratigan is in the sunshine state.
he joins us live. good afternoon. >> nice to see you. >> unemployment in florida has dropped a few points to 9.9%. that still ranked 44th in the country. are things getting any better there now or are those numbers misleading? >> the numbers are misleading as is the gdp number. a lot of the recent decline is as much driven by people who have stopped looking for work, fallen off the unemployment roles. i think the most important thing to understand is at least, for the time being, we have a period of stability which gives us the opportunity to be seize upon the significant debate that's needed on everything that we talk about. most notably, we're going to focus on the extraordinary costs and screwed up interested, misaligned interest in health care which are so acutely felt in south florida which you have
an aging population which retires tho this beautiful part of our country. >> jaime morgan chase and the most important banker in the world says the president and other politicians are giving the banks a bad rep. >> i have disagreed at the beginning of this blame of all banks or bad guys. i don't like that. it's a form of discrimination. it doesn't lead to productive conversation. not everyone is equally bad. so i think it denigrates america. >> this from a man whose bank received taxpayer money and $3 billion from the fed and all the while, he, himself, is taking home $23 million in compensation and he complains about discrimination. >> well, you left out the fact that jp morgan runs one of the
secretive swaps market in the world. with all of that said, you know what, i agree with jamie diamond. it's not for all bankers to be indicted the same. it is appropriate for us to recognize that the too-big to fail banks like jp morgan, bank of america, and wells fargo are uniquely to blame. it is appropriate, we should be focusing on his bank, citi group, bank of america and wells far fargo. >> brilliantly put. dylan, thank you very much. >> hold on. hold on. i got one other thing. and i apologize. i would love to do a brief
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>> it may be since i was born in europe, i'm a little more sensitive to these things. but in raemt, this is a massive hoax. or to use newt gingrich's favorite word, the biggist pile of bologna that's ever been served. it's actually the republicans, both those running for president and those already elected to the house, who desperately want to follow that continent. how so? well, as we know, the global recession, which began in 2008, has forced countries to respond in different ways. the president has attempted to stimulate the economy. others, particularly european nations, have stuck firmly to their belief that austerity is the way to go. so they set about cutting services, demolishing government, reducing the safety net. it's this model as practiced by several european nations that republicans, like john boehner, eric khan tor, newt gingrich, and mitt romney want america to
follow. >> as president, i will cut spending. >> cut spending. >> they elected us to cut spending. >> so just to be clear, republicans accuse the president of want iing to copy europe, wh in fact, it's the republicans who want to follow the european lead in terms of the economy. so now that we have put the facts straight, how is it going in europe with those pro-republican approaches to austerity? well in ireland, they responded to their debt problems with a savaged series of measures and unemployment is now at 14%. across the irish sea in britain, the latest figures are out for economic activity. unfortunately, there wasn't any. the economy didn't grow at all. it shrank from last year. in spain where a series of brutal austerity measures were
applied, youth unemployment is getting closer to 50%. yes 50%. these are the indisputable facts. it's one thing for republicans to misrepresent the president. we expect that. but it's shameless in the very next breath to support those nations that they have accused the president of following. people say republicans have people with irony. thank you so much for watching. dylan ratigan is next. we're here day two in miami. behind me, you can see condos, private homes, paradise. it makes south florida and the state at large me ka for folks across america to spend their later years. that also makes this meca for the health care crisis in america. and whether you're a republican, an independent, or a democrat, the cost and effectiveness of american health care